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Enlisted On: 15.03.2018


15.03.2018, 22:47 

Hello community,

I want to discuss some issues with the wake island map on bf2. First I have to say that I enjoy playing on your server; you have some great players and the server is well protected by your admins.
What I´m now writing must be a little bit strange for some of you. But I think it´s easy to understand. I just whish to have a better protection of the airfield! In the early years of bf2 it was a nice tactic to get this flag first to control the game. Today it´s still a good tactic if the chinese pilots are stronger than the rest. But what I have watched day by day is that a strong US team catches the flag, dominated the game with three planes and their attack chopper – flown by skilled, sometimes high skilled pilots. The airfield itselfs is defended by one or two tanks. With other words, it is nearly impossible to get it back if US don´t want this. So on chinese side you have the choice to run into death or to quit the game. At this point I´m missing the responsibilty of the skilled players. Where is the problem to allow an open fight with fair forces on both sides. Sure, the KD will not be the same for US members. Not fifty to zero for f35 pilots or cobra gunners. But the game will be much more interesting and exciting. You don´t know after two minutes who will be the winner and at least you will have more fun. You can be proud of the result. If I´m sitting in a jet in that particular situation – and of course I have done it often in former times – I can´t feel proud because it´s too easy shooting the ground forces. And most of all I feel that it´s unfair. Maybe you know the server 2f4y where everything is allowed. Most of the rounds are bullshit there because pilots rape the whole time the carrier/uncaps. I know the situation on wake island is special because the map has no fix uncap for the chinese forces.
I think what we need is a new kind of game philosophy or a new rule. The rule maybe that if af is conquered all US flying forces must be grounded. Don´t now if such a rule is possible for you. The other suggestion is directed to all good players. Simple, stay out of the air vehicles. Let the noobs fly and let them enjoy there little success.
By the way, the group of noobs becomes smaller each day. Since revieve is closed the bf2 community becomes smaller at all – in my opinion it is what EA wants, simple politics. And it is now in our responsibilty to keep the group of active players alive. Otherwise I am sure that the day the last server must be closed is not far away. Ok, this development is at least quite normal. Everything ends someday and with our without new rules etc - bf2 is determined to die. But perhaps we could set a last new development and push the d-day more into the future. In general the phenomenon „egoshooter“ fits perfect in our society. We all know that players of these games normaly don´t become real life killers. But it has something to do with narcissism or even psychopathy because the most important goal is collect for yourself and take it from the others on both sides. The danger is that such occupation can enlarge a pesonality disorder. I digress...lol

Please think about it and if you like, we can discuss about. My english is not the best, but I hope you will understand want I´m meaning.

CU
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[LS] Rangers
15.03.2018, 23:54  Homepage

Now I start understanding how 5tarLine feels when I write him a shitload of stuff in one big essay. But at least he got to hand it out to me that my line feeds are always on point and well called. Even I cannot bring myself to read this wall of text. Laugh

Consider adding a TL;DR part please. amused
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[LS] Rangers
16.03.2018, 13:52 

Hello LynCassady,

first of all thank you for your concerns about the quality of gameplay on our server and your suggestions to improve it. Your opinion is very welcome, of course.

You bring up some points with which I tend to agree, with others i have to contradict.

My opinion:

1) If team China is too stupid to defend airfield, they have to live with the consequences. With good teamwork it shouldnt be a problem to defend airfield or to cap airfield back, I did that by myself with help of my squad hundreds of times.
2) I agree with you, capture of airfield should not be the first thing to do in a new round, unless the enemy team has much more powerful air players. Thats why I usually lead my squad to north or south part of Wake Island first.
3) There is nothing wrong in defending airfield with tanks and infantry or even air force after capturing it.
4) However, what I dislike is raping the remaining flags, especially with air force, instead of capturing it.
5) Another point I agree with you: skilled jet players should fight on ground after the enemy air force got destroyed, to give beginners the chance to get some training. Usually that is what experienced players like Viper, Kissmygun and myself are doing (of course sometimes there are some exceptions, for example when you get raped the round before you maybe want to have some revenge)
I know there are some real airwhores visiting our server that give a shit on all those thoughts. However, airwhores are no problem as long the teams are balanced. That is our real problem: The imbalance of teams that happen from time to time.

Finally, there is always the option to stop spawning for the losing team when they get raped at the last flag to prevent farming of high K : D

To prevent rape of flags, I bring up the following suggestion to discuss:

Lets stop the respawn of F35-B and AH-1Z after the capture of airfield (if that is technically possible; I know Weekend Warriors had this mode enabled)

That means:
- F35-B and AH-1Z can be up in air as long they didn‘t get destroyed.
- Once F35-B and AH-1Z get destroyed, there will be no more jet or attack chopper available for USMC site, as long as China didn‘t recapture the Airfield.
- F-18 and Black Hawk will be available all the time.

Best regards,
Carbon

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[LS] Rangers
16.03.2018, 18:48 

LynCassady wrote:

In the early years of bf2 it was (..)

Veteran? TL;DR
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[LS] Rangers
16.03.2018, 19:05 

SW03_Carbon wrote:


To prevent rape of flags, I bring up the following suggestion to discuss:

Lets stop the respawn of F35-B and AH-1Z after the capture of airfield.

Weia. That is a "mod", not Wake Island.
And as a rule ("US don't use aircraft when.. ") it is totally undiscutable.
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[LS] Rangers
16.03.2018, 20:01 

That "mod" was (is?) standard for many years on WeekendWarriors. You can think about WW whatever you want, but that "mod" is much better than the fucking rape by airwhores which empties our server every day.

However, I agree, a new rule is indiscutable, we should not overregulate the gameplay with sophisticated rules.

As I said it is just my opinion and of course we can discuss it.
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Enlisted On: 15.03.2018


17.03.2018, 09:52 

Hello Carbon,

thank you very much for your replie! Your suggestion is a good one; will make the game better and perhaps it´s the only possibility to make it more fair. Don´t know that this is technical possible(stop respawning of vehicle). Now I don´t want to argue against some of your points, because it leads to nothing. The last two days I was thinking about rule changes and don´t come to a satisfying result. You are right, the main problem is the team balance and team behavior. That can´t be fixed by rules. Anyway, at the end there can be only one team win/lose.
Try to make your suggestion come true! I hope that more and more „airwhores“ will understand what is best for the game and follow your good example to stay grounded if the situation will need such behavior. Good luck and

see you on the field

LynCassady
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17.03.2018, 10:27 

I think the idea is also quite good jet and heli spawn to stop after the acquisition of Airfield.

The question is how easy is it to implementI Is such a script difficult to create? Carbon and Just Invincib|e are good role models and fight on the ground (when the enemys are not strong) or switch to the weaker team
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17.03.2018, 11:41 

Hello,
very happy that we finally tackle the major problem of Wake: the doubling of the US air force, once the flag of the airfield captured. In principle, preventing the spawn of F35-B and AH-1Z is not a problem; or, if you only want it to be less frequent, you can increase the time between two consecutive spawn: but I think, Carbon, that your solution is the fairest smile! Completely stop the spawn of US aircrafts on the island. Another thing, it must be understood that if the Chinese team is too small, defending the airport, as a priority, strongly prevents to defend the rest of the island which becomes very vulnerable: the infantry should, normally, remain close to the airport and only the CH air force can prevent the US progression: it can become very annoying for the chinese ground staff; thus, preventing the US aircrafts spaw on airfield, and thus to make its defence less priority, should allow to open a little more the game;

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[LS] Rangers
17.03.2018, 20:25 

LynCassady wrote:

(..) problem is the team balance and team behavior. That can´t be fixed by rules. Anyway, at the end there can be only one team win/lose.

Jepp! The "Main-Problem" is *continous* imbalanced teams.
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