| Community Discussion • Ventrilo vs. Teamspeak |
| 29.01.2017, 09:56 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
Sup guys, Like I've mentioned before, I think changing from Ventrilo to TS3 is something that needs to be discussed  I made a little video in which I try to show my problem with Ventrilo. I know Star prefers pushing an extra button so he doesn't hear everything from other players, but I agree to disagree  I think switching to TS3 could really get more players to communicate ingame: (enlarge the video and then click on it and then the quality will improve - just found out) https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 29.01.2017, 11:15 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5387 Posts
https://youtu.be/c7UYInwt5rg?t=2m51s Of course Ventrilo doesn't pick up anything, when you have your Sensitivity set to 60!  I agree with you though, TeamSpeak is preferred by most of my italian mafia folks too and it was really hard to have them install Ventrilo and set it up properly.I have my Sensitivity set to 15 when I talk normally, and to 5 when I need to whisper; you can test the Sensitivity with the Monitor and Test buttons in Setup. But of course 5tarLine is the one who actually manages the Ventrilo Server so it's up to him to acknowledge our tastes and think about switching accordingly. Staff Officer  S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 29.01.2017, 11:28 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
I didnt change anything its all standard settings. Ventrilo is indeed not very known or at least not in bf2. I'm just making a suggestion to improve gameplay, considering the lack of admins and non-LS members in our ventrilo server 95% of the time. Considering rico, carbon, clints, pegasus, remy and i already all have TS is just a sign that its a well known program among players and I never heard anything bad about it. Star is da baws, absolutely. I think that at the end of the day however we all just want LS to grow and become a close community and I think switching to TS3 might be a good thing to help achieve that If Star decides tomorrow that our new logo will be a strap-on dildo we will all have to accept it too, but be aware that I will start a new topic in community discussion https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 29.01.2017, 11:58 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5387 Posts
lel ^ Then change it, uh!  S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 29.01.2017, 13:24 - ClintS - Junior Technician - 106 Posts
I like the idea of changing to TS3. So basically it all comes from the fact that i like to get in touch with people and communicate while playing. Its not like you shall talk all the time, just having the ability to ask questions and talk to your teammates. Some of you mentioned they are on their own servers while playing, talking to friends or whatever so why not match things up on TS? It's a well more known platform than Ventrilo and i don't see any problem in just using a TS server instead of ventrilo. Setting up Ventrilo is one of the reasons most players on LS aint using it or whatever, what do I know ... I'm not on ventrilo all the time but i always keep my eye on the live thingy on the homepage, to see whats going on but its mostly ... nothing. (Except for baz and shark). Furthermore, I don't want to bind a key for push to talk in squad AND push to talk in ventrilo to reach all the players i need to. Theres no point in having a voice server when everybody is using his own. I'd like to see this community drawn together, it's just way more fun to play when you know the people ... Thanks to Belgero for setting up this topic and making a video, which i would never have enough time to. However, it's a suggestion, just like sth. We can talk about. |
| 29.01.2017, 17:03 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
The reality is that Ventrilo is not really catching on, so I'm guessing I'm not the only one that isn't the biggest fan of Ventrilo... I can try to change the sensitivity, maybe that will fix my problems already, but why make everyone download a program when most of the BF2 players already have TS3? I'm just trying to discuss the issue that we can all see, that there are almost never people on Ventrilo, and if there are it's like one or two admins. Back in the good old days TS3 was pretty popular in my clan and with good reason So I'm hoping that we could get something like that in LS. Ps: Shark: what sensitivity works best then? Like I said, it's the standard settings, I didn't change anything to the sensitivity https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 29.01.2017, 21:24 - EYELESS - Sergeant - 486 Posts
I must agree with Belgero now. TS3 is really better and easier to use and it's owned by more players. + more icons in here  |
| 29.01.2017, 22:59 - SW03_Carbon - Administrator - 458 Posts
We (SW-Clan) use TS3 as well since many years. We are used to it and many of my mates don't want to change something that is established. I didn't even know about Ventrilo before I joined this community, nevertheless I think it is very good though. Ventrilo and TS3 are both great VoIP applications, but TS is actually more popular. Personally I would appreciate a change to TS3 because it is more convenient for me, but if you want to stick by Ventrilo it is ok for me as well. |
| 29.01.2017, 23:47 - b29az - Senior Aircraftman (Technician) - 95 Posts
i prefer ventrilo and dont want teamspeak |
| 30.01.2017, 01:09 - %CIB%KissMyGun - Administrator - 31 Posts
I prefer ventrilo and I think it's easy to use and got more services like sending files and more |
| 30.01.2017, 02:47 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I'm afraid I don't agree that changing to Teamspeak is necessary though. This is for everyone's benefit - not just mine! Nobody wants to hear your dog-barking or your phone ringing or BF2 coming out of your Speakers!  People seem to have great difficulty finding a suitable Push To Talk key. It's really not that hard if you put a little effort in and are willing to be creative / change a BF2 key. CAPS Lock / CTRL are good choices if you are struggling. Some people use their Mouse Scroll Wheel Click which is usually Mouse Button 3.Following what S_h_a_r_k_93 told you, it seems like you had your Sensitivity configured incorrectly anyway. It doesn't sound like you are in a position to compare VOIP software if you haven't even configured the settings, you are not giving Ventrilo a fair chance...This is fair enough, Ventrilo is more common in communities for other games like Counter-Strike. However, that's not a reason to switch. We have a simple Install / Setup Guide for Ventrilo. If people want to take their vocal communication beyond In-Game VOIP with Commander/Squad they can download it. It really depends what time you check, I'm often on Ventrilo in the evening or later and we have had quite a few different people in Ventrilo at times. Civilains, Enlisted Soldiers, [LS] Members & Admin all together. Ventrilo gets more usage than you realise. Low Sound Quality & Many Security Vulnerabilities. Great idea  why did I never think of this before? I'll get to work on that right away...Whilst I do think your intentions are good, I feel like you are on a bit of a personal crusade against Ventrilo because you're a Teamspeak lover / Ventrilo hater. Teamspeak is really not good quality VOIP software as far as I'm concerned, if you get used to Vent you'll realise it's superior too. There are 5 main reasons why I prefer Ventrilo: 1) Financial, we host the Ventrilo Server ourselves, we'd have to pay for Teamspeak 2) Sound Quality 3) I already did a lot of work coding to integrate Ventrilo into the site 4) Security Vulnerabilities in Teamspeak 5) Teamspeak's ugly interface [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 30.01.2017, 06:22 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
I did change sensitivity and it seems to work better now but i have to try it out a little bit more.It seems that my major problem with ventrilo is fixed. However I still stand by my point that 1. I think push-to-talk is not the way to go and 2. TS3 could "bring us closer" as a community. 1. There already is a push to talk system in bf2 and I find it pretty annoying to use. Like I said, if you don't have every key in a "comfortable distance" already assigned in bF2, you're probably not using your keys efficiently again you use your barking/music argument, I have been using TS3 for years and never had this problem. I can't seem to find other TS3 users on this forum that are annoyed like you I guess you could have a point if you join a full TS3 server with 15 random people probably not even gaming, but that won't be the case. On top of that, exactly because you can hear eachother all the time you start talking way more about the game and also random stuff. 2. It's nor a personal crucade. I just know what TS did in my previous years on BF2 a long time ago and it really was a huge attribute exactly because everyone had it. HOWEVER considering your arguments and the fact that the sensitivity seems to help, I won't continue to argue. I didn't know Ventrilo was free, so I won't make you pay for TS (of course). I don't hate Ventrilo, I just think that switching to TS would bring a lot more people to talk to eachother. Considering the other opinions in this topic, outside of b29, I wasn't alone so I think it's important to discuss about stuff in this community when there are two different views. I'm glad you thought about it Star. Considering your argument I'm guessing it's a close cased now. https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 30.01.2017, 08:28 - EYELESS - Sergeant - 486 Posts
I must disagree 5tarLine - in Counter-Strike communities is TS3 the main communication program. I play CS many years. But that was just by the way. I'm using push to talk button since my first use the TS3 so on Ventrilo. No prob. |
| 30.01.2017, 19:25 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
Firstly, Ventrilo is not exactly 'free'. We still pay for the server which I run it on. But I also use this server for other things too, so it's more cost-efficient. I like the fact that you are challenging certain aspects of the way we do things. That is the best way to breed progression and ensure we keep moving forward. I don't want to or intend to stifle your ideas & creativity, you made some valid points. It just so happens that some things are the way they are for a good reason and wouldn't be worth the effort or cost to change at this time. With VOIP Software for example; if we're going to upgrade, let's make it a serious upgrade to a really modern platform if we can find one we like. Regarding unnecessary external noises when Push-To-Talk is not enabled. It depends on the quality of your MIC and your settings.  %CIB%KissMyGun - b29az & myself all prefer Ventrilo, as stated in this topic. Others like  SW03_Carbon said they are also quite happy to stick with Ventrilo so it's not so conclusive really.Me too. CS 1.6 and Source competitively for a long time. We only ever used Ventrilo, whether we were using our own VOIP or another teams.  [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 30.01.2017, 21:27 - EYELESS - Sergeant - 486 Posts
Yay, any league bro? |
| 31.01.2017, 19:03 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
Some tournaments & leagues for Source. Not 1.6. You? [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 31.01.2017, 19:05 - EYELESS - Sergeant - 486 Posts
Nice! Yes, but not sure if you know them. ESL, Shifters, Undzwei |
| 31.01.2017, 20:58 - RemyBE - Senior Aircraftman - 23 Posts
I understand this one... it would mean €20-30 more expenses a year... I don't think you're right on this one, never had any "bad sound quality" feelings on TS3... I understand this one, you have probably busted your ass off because of this... What kind of "security" are you pointing at here? I don't think people are sending any virus through TS3? AND we're talking about private  Disagree, TS3 looks way better... Ventrilo is like '80s interface lol back to windows 98 |
| 31.01.2017, 21:10 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
Yes I like the open mindset star, thanks. well it indeed seems like there are two sides, one for ventrilo and one for ts3, I will accept ventrilo considering you're not the only one backing it up and like i said my major problem is solved (tx shark). https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 31.01.2017, 21:46 - EYELESS - Sergeant - 486 Posts
Well said, completely agree. |
| 31.01.2017, 22:02 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
Depends how many slots, could be significantly more. Either way, there's no point throwing good money away for the sake of it. Especially when Donations have only hit the monthly target once. That's nice, we don't all have the same ears either so not everyone will notice. My hearing ability is very strong. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Teamspeak+3+vulnerabilties Depends on your Windows Version / Desktop Graphics Settings. On Windows 10 it looks much better than the nasty TS3 UI to me:  (Auto resize: 800x923px, png) [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 31.01.2017, 22:36 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
I was agreeing with you until that last post Star. Can't help but notice the pretty sarcastic tone. Never had any sound problems with TS3. Obviously it wouldn't be as popular among gamers if the sound quality was inferior. Concerning the look, it is true that TS3 looks more professional. However i don't really care cause I'm not in Ventrilo or TS3 to look at the program itself. It's for communicating ans that's all I care about. I will continue to use Ventrilo, I just hope that it will be more frequently used. Ps: goo.gl/sUhJb4 https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 31.01.2017, 23:02 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
No sarcasm, just facts. I didn't say sound problems, I said lower sound quality which is certainly what I have experienced with Teamspeak. Those Ventrilo vulnerabilities are for older versions which we do not use, either client side or server side and there are not nearly as many of them. Take a look at the search results yourself before sending a lmgtfy in future please. Having looked into Teamspeak there is a Non-Profit License option: http://npl.teamspeakusa.com/ts3npl.php for self-hosting which could meet our needs but if you click through to "Continue to NPL Application" you will see that they even consider Donations as "profit"... Ridiculous when they are 100% spent towards our running costs. To apply for this license I would have to temporarily hide all Donation stuff on the site... [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 01.02.2017, 05:28 - RemyBE - Senior Aircraftman - 23 Posts
Whatever you say fam |
| 01.02.2017, 06:53 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
If S_h_a_r_k_93 or  Rico946 want to make this a Community Vote then I'm happy to go with the outcome of that. If Teamspeak is what everyone wants and would increase active players as you have both said then I will apply for the license and temporarily hide Donation stuff on the site, then I will have to work on a new Teamspeak Server Status module for the site. It will be a pain in the arse but possible.I wasn't aware that there was a Non-Profit License for Teamspeak. [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 01.02.2017, 08:05 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
Well this is interesting. What do you think shark and rico? https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 01.02.2017, 10:09 - ClintS - Junior Technician - 106 Posts
The question is, is it worth the effort, will people be more active on TS or would it just be the same ... ?! |
| 01.02.2017, 13:54 - EYELESS - Sergeant - 486 Posts
I would say, that there would be other players from our servers. |
| 01.02.2017, 18:45 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
Worth the try at least. As I said, I'm mostly only with Rico on Ventrilo. Considering the amount of admins that are active on the servers yet not on Ventrilo, i can't help but wonder how we can convince non-admins let alone non-enlisted soldiers to ever download ventrilo. Not that I'm a standard player, but when I first joined this website I saw the 10-step process to download Ventrilo and I was like.. Yeah I'll stick to TS3 I know it's not that hard, but at first it looked pretty complicated. Maybe it's easier to use a program a lot of players already have and convince them to just join our server instead of downloading a new program.If it fails, at least we tried to bring the community closer together. https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 01.02.2017, 23:54 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
As I said already, it's all about the time that you are online playing. Most evenings are not good times for me to play so I play later. At these times you'll regularly find myself, %CIB%KissMyGun & b29az on Ventrilo. Often we are joined by others (non-Members/Admins) from this community too. S_h_a_r_k_93 is also on Ventrilo late some nights with us. It's not a case of nobody else using it let me assure you.However, as I also said, if S_h_a_r_k_93 or Rico946 want to edit this topic and turn it into a vote, we'll let the community decide.[ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 03.02.2017, 10:38 - EYELESS - Sergeant - 486 Posts
Cool. |
| 03.02.2017, 22:01 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5387 Posts
Same here, after using it for quite a while you get accustomed to it and it works correctly. But I'll just state the facts here ... Other than the actual LS Members, ClintS is the only registered user who has actually requested a Ventrilo account so far. Other than me and the other two Staff Officers, we can count the other Ventrilo accounts we've made on a couple of hands. (Take note, this doesn't prevent others from joining Ventrilo, it's just a way of avoiding your nickname to be used by others. In other words, we see other folks entering on Ventrilo as well, like owneroffinestC4 for example). On TeamSpeak on the contrary, you don't need to have an account created. Well actually I don't know because I've never been an Administrator on TeamSpeak; but the point is that out of our current 210 enlisted soldiers, it's scientifically proven at best only 20 of them have Ventrilo, but most likely 90 or even more of them have TeamSpeak installed and configured too. That's what opens the gates for all of them to come join us on our TS Server; that's what the others are saying. And whilst it's true I disable my Windows 7 themes, Aero and all that graphic shit when I play, 5tarLine knows I prefer TeamSpeak's interface. It's more talkative too; for example others can see if you muted your microphone or your speakers. On Vent you can't see that, and you end up talking to a wall without knowing it. I'll state another fact here, which applies to me at least. The more you care about the Community, being the website and the people that are around it, the less you care about how non-standard Ventrilo is or how difficult it is to setup, or how ugly it may look to some or the bugs it has (TS and Vent are not shy of bugs, even if they're a few, there are). You just do it, and grow accustomed to it. In fact, I stopped using Battlelog's TS3 (I also almost stopped playing but oh well ... ).For the website integration part, I'm not sure but I always imagined that - being that TS3 is more mainstream - there are already pre-coded widgets or website addons like the one we currently have. I mean I see TS website modules a lot so I figured it was supported by the TeamSpeak Devs directly? Turns out it looks like it's not; perhaps with some harder digging you can find some pre-coded PHP stuff for TS3. Staff Officer S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 04.02.2017, 14:26 - Belgero - Corporal - 237 Posts
I honestly came into this topic after I saw you replied ready to type "okay I will just accept Ventrilo if both staff officers are in favor" I think it's true that the more you care about this community the less problems you have with downloading a whole new program for communication - but that's also the problem: how many players on the servers actually go on this website? I didn't know battlelog had TS3 too, I guess it's just another argument to switch to TS3. If it's possible for @5tarline (I'm trying to make this reference's to names work but it never does) it's an option to consider if also Rico agrees. I'm just curious to see if it will make a positive change yes or no I'll use both programs in the meantime https://battlelog.co/bfhq.php?id=1817513943 |
| 06.02.2019, 22:12 - SW03_Carbon - Administrator - 458 Posts
I would like to revive this discussion. Many arguments has been stated here already, no need to write them down again. The main point for me is that Teamspeak3 is simply more popular, especially in Bf2. Every Bf2 community uses TS3. Very few people will install ventrilo just to communicate with us, teamspeak is simply more accepted. We can have a 32 slot server for free. Since b29az / Kissmygun, who both voted for ventrilo, doesn't play for LS any longer, we should reconsider our primary voice programm, maybe by a community vote? |
| 07.02.2019, 18:11 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5387 Posts
We will be creating a private poll for our Members only, to see what they would prefer to go with in 2019 - a new year for the Lost-Soldiers BF2 Community - as they will be the ones expected to support our voice server the most. The Staff Officers will then vote upon seeing the result at hand. We have a few options to pick from, we will be asking every Member to submit their vote in the poll. The general discussion about Ventrilo vs TeamSpeak will be always held here, in this board; discussion solely about the poll's options will be held in the reserved topic that will be created later. Kind regards, Staff Officer S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |