| BF2 #1 - Wake Island • Lots of rule breaking - no admin present |
| 14.10.2016, 18:12 - Tonninseteli - - 2 Posts
Hello people, First of all, it's nice to see European Wake Island server up and running. Thank you for that. I've now played here for some weeks and have seen it getting populated over time. This week almost every evening we have had it well populated. At first it was all good. People seemed to be happy to get EU Wake populated and just had fun together. Then something happened. The problem is that there is a lot of ignorance against rules. Every round there is plenty of rule breakers and they just don't care if I mention - even autoadmin won't stop them. If kicked, they just come back and do it again. I could record it all, but there would be so much of work to report them all so preferably it would then lead in actions as well. I would like to practice flying, but I'm so sick of rammers, padrapers, teamkill forcers, team c4:ers, carrier artiers that it's sadly not fun to enter your server anymore. So, what is your punishing protocol? First violation warn, second kick, third week ban, fourth perm ban? If I record someone padraping three different times will it lead to some concrete judgement or just warning? BR Tonninseteli (I already made one topic about this but it strangely dissapeared. Sorry if doublepost) |
| 14.10.2016, 23:36 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
Hi Tonninseteli, Firstly, a big thank-you for taking the time to enlist here and write this detailed report of your experience playing on our Wake Server so far. I can't tell you enough how much I value this excellent feedback as we strive forward in our ongoing mission to be the best BF2 community around. As most (if not all) of our members lead busy lives we can unfortunately not be available to monitor the servers manually at all times. For this reason we use AutoAdmin software. Whilst I'm sure you are not fabricating this, I must say I've found a few hours to play on our Wake Island server lately in the evening and on the whole, I haven't had to kick or ban too many players, perhaps people are behaving more-so when they see me in the server and see someone get kicked or banned. In any case, If I'm not mistaken, when I've checked to see who is playing during morning-to-afternoon European Hours, you often fall into that category. This is currently the worst time possible in general to try to find an admin online. However, we are doing everything possible to ensure a good playing experience for all (at whatever hour you choose to play) and have been working hard lately to make improvements to this. We recently made [LS] b29az an Officer, meaning he has ingame-admin, as he lives in the U.S you will quite often find him online at times when the Europeans are at work. He understands the rules well and is effective at tackling problem players. As all of us will do, if we confront a problem player live in-game: it will first be a Warning, then a Kick if it continues, then a Temporary Ban (60 minutes) followed by a Permanent Ban. If the offence is Racism, Gender related or Sexual discrimnation, Redlining or Stat-Padding, the perpetrator will be permanently banned with no chance of appeal. We will also be appointing 2 new Officers this weekend to help out and try to fill the gaps in human administration a little more. Around a month ago, myself and BlackEmperor completed the migration of our BF2 Servers from Windows to Linux. Due to certain changes we were forced to make, our AutoAdmin software ceased to work almost entirely in terms of actions, along with many of our other server features. Since then I have worked very hard to repair this and fortunately had a little help and advice from the original developer (qSek) who was kind enough to share his source code with me so I could modify it myself. In addition he has even written the code for various new features entirely. A lot of our features are now back online including: AutoAdmin, In-Game & Standalone Admin Software but we can only work in the hours we have available and let me assure you, we have been working very hard and long hours to fix stuff. Similarly we are continually testing and tweaking our AutoAdmin Sourcecode & Settings to improve the quality & effectiveness of it. It's of course been an extremely busy period, and we are not through and out the other side of the tunnel entirely yet. In other good news, a few days ago I managed to get our Server Auto Messages functioning once more. Due to the OS Migration an entirely different and new method was required, there were some challenging roadblocks to clear requiring problem-solving and Black-Hat IT Skills and a good 4 or 5 hours just to do this. The plus side of this is that players will now see the rules scrolling in each server every 15 minutes. Up until this week, since we moved the BF2 servers to the new OS around a month ago, this was not functioning, meaning the burst of new players would be very unlikely to know that there are rules at all. Let's give players a chance to read them and abide by them. Most would assume we were running no rules servers when they can't see any, especially considering all of the official servers are no rules. Please ensure you use "+r fullplayername problem" for Each offence that a problem player commits I check the reports on a daily basis and if I keep seeing the same names then there have of course been and are consequences for them to face. In order to answer your question on the problem player protocol. I mentioned the process above that a human administrator would be expected to follow. Regarding the AutoAdmin, we are well aware that warnings are not tracked in continuation after a player is kicked. They can come back, break the rules again and they will only be kicked again, not Temporary or PermaBanned. Admittedly, this is a major flaw and I have spoken to the original developer about this. He has continued to be a great friend & asset to this community by agreeing to help implement this as soon as possible, along with some other additions and tweaks we are looking to make. Obviously, AutoAdmin can't and never will detect everything though. If you provide us with good / irrefutable evidence that a player has been cheating or regularly breaking rules then it will be a permanent ban for the former and atleast a temporary ban for the latter with the length of punishment dependent on the nature & gravity of the offence(s) and our best judgements based on years of BF2 and Admin experience. I will be modifying a few things on the servers this weekend to ensure players are made aware of the need to follow rules and they know they can come and read them in detail on the website. We will be monitoring this situation closely now but please also consider that as the game has opened up to a much larger market since it became Free2Play, it has brought many children (and some 'adults 'who behave like children) with it. We are doing our best to ban these but for every 1 good player that installs BF2 these days there are 4 idiots/trolls/cheaters determined to keep Admins busy and leading such pathetic little lives that it makes them feel good to abuse others online (something they would never have the balls to do to your face in real life) because it fulfills their need to feel powerful, superior or simply a bit better about their low self-confidence. Let us know if your experience improves at all over the next couple of weeks. If not, we'll consider implementing an immediate Temporary Ban after the max-warnings is reached for rule-violations instead of a kick. In which case I will put a vote up for my team here. This will itself be a temporary solution until we can track total warnings after a player has been kicked and returns in order to move to the next level of punishment with the AutoAdmin. (Finally, perhaps you accidentally had "preview" my post ticked in the check-boxes at the bottom of the "New Topic"? In which case to then post the topic you would need to remove this before clicking the final "Post New Topic" button). Thank-you once more for bringing this to our attention, let me know if you have any further questions. Cheers, 5tarLine  [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 15.10.2016, 10:08 - Tonninseteli - - 2 Posts
Wow, nice post 5tarLine! You really put effort on this  My point was not to show that admins were too lazy or so, not at all. I fully understand we all have our real lifes to live. I'm not actually so sure what's wrong with people while admins aren't present. The very same players that used to ram me and my buddy's chopper again and again, and bombed helis and jets before takeoff, were the most nicest teamplayers when having them in my squad. They definitely are aware of rules, maybe they just are bored somehow when we have about 5v5 game going. Of course there were lots of newbies yesterday and earlier this week doing their tricks, and all that combined leaded in to my topic here after all. Would be sad to loose any of those regular Wake players by banning them for bad manners. Maybe they just need a gentle kick in their asses to not behave naughty  [whining]All I wanted was just have some practice with chopper, but had hard time when our own commander grabs it and crashes after autokicking. Not to mention that enemy commander keeps artying carrier... Then the other guy c4 you down from carrier. The next try falls when some nice guy destroys our own chopper with us essex... when you finally manage to get in the chopper, there is some noob who doesn't know where to fly and igla drops us. After all this when I make it with my buddy together in to chopper, there comes that enemy jet straight to our chopper, gaining two kills with his kamikaze flight.[/whining] I took some screenshots already. Btw, do you know the reason: every time I press my print screen button I get two identical screenshot files. I've had this as long as I remember. Just to make this clear, I usually report "!r playername reason", but you started it with "+r". Does that make any difference? I was about to test it in your server but it seems to be down at the moment. I assume you have no time to look for battlerecorder once checking these reports so how do you ensure validity of reports? Will I bring the proofs of all minor violations here in the forum? Those things you brought up sounded really good. Looking forward to see the development! I definitely keep playing on your server (as long as I won't get mad  ). Thanks for the post and keep it up. Let's make Wake great again  BR Tonninseteli |
| 15.10.2016, 11:08 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5387 Posts
It's meant to be like that: one .png and one .jpg file. I usually group them by type so they are separated and I can select all the .jpgs at once and delete them. Nice posts both of you, you bring good points to the table, I am noting everything. Staff Officer  S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 16.10.2016, 00:24 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
You can use either: !r or +r (I prefer +r so that's what I tell people to use). We can't check every report individually with BattleRecorder as that would take far too long and would be totally pointless. I look for repeated reports of the same player over the course of a few days or a week or longer. When the reports are for multiple AutoAdmin violations it's easy to check for a record of this in the logs too. When it's something different or we want to check validity of reports then BattleRecorder demos are used. I also look personally into the players who are reported to have been cheating (when the reports are sent by experienced players or from many different players at the same time). Thanks for playing in our servers!  [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 17.11.2016, 08:57 - jostotest - Administrator - 962 Posts
This is my first post, Well done to Bz29 for banning a guy called Dingleberry, the guy says the same derogatory remarks on every server he goes on,Very degrading to women, Don't know if this is the right place to post this, but well done. Jost |
| 17.11.2016, 12:44 - SW03_Carbon - Administrator - 458 Posts
Yeah that guy is an annoying stupid kid not worth to play here |
| 13.05.2019, 19:29 - Enforcer - Leading Aircraftman - 8 Posts
Lately the pain of rulebreakers is coming back, especially if admins are offline... My current playing style is adjusted by this kind of gameplay. Call it right or wrong, but to beat an asshole you need to act like one. Otherwise the endresult is most likely u are getting raped on top of it with some additional chat feedback as well. Ultimately resulting in everyone being one, gone is your joyfull fun battle game. or simply an empty server.. To me it seems the current ruleset of the auto-admin program u guys are using simply isn't effective at all. That also counts for the never ending warnings when an admin is online. Just kick the F$%% that breaks the rules! I personally think u need something else to counter this. I've played on weekend warriors and they have a nice auto-admin. It simply kills u when break the rules. Break them multiple times and u get kicked or banned... This seems a lot more effective then the current situation. Also the current rules need some adjustment imho. When a J10 has taken off it is protected if it lands to repair ( on top of being OP in 1st place vs the f35)? Thats just insane! |
| 13.05.2019, 19:43 - jostotest - Administrator - 962 Posts
Today Enforcer, you attacked a grounded !, I then warned you, You said , " it was on ground refueling/repairing." If the aircraft's wheels are on the ground, it is grounded , and jets must not attack it. |
| 13.05.2019, 22:20 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5387 Posts
I get what you're saying, thank you for your feedback. But please explain how the J-10 is OP compared to an F-35.  Staff Officer S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
14.05.2019, 00:00 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
 Well, unlike Sharpie, I don't 'get what you're saying'... Not one bit, in fact I disagree with pretty much everything you've written. Maybe you need to go back to lessons you should have learned when you were a child, perhaps you still are? Anyway, you should know that: two wrongs don't make a right. Learn it fast or you'll end up banned yourself. Lead by example, that must be a good example. Simple fact. Weekend Warriors use the same software we do so no idea what you are talking about really, makes zero sense- their AutoAdmin does not kill anyone and it's very very similar to ours in operation. There is no current "situation" server is doing well and our AutoAdmin is the best it has ever been. It would also be breaking BF2's/BF2Hub's ROE to kill people automatically for breaking server-specific rules like Super@ do, I assume that's who you are confusing Weekend Warriors with although not really sure how you've managed to confuse them. Take it from me, a Dogfighter, the F-35B is the better jet, this is not even a discussion/debate, it's a fact. Yes the J-10 is protected when it lands, so what? The F-35B is too on the carrier. [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |
| 14.05.2019, 07:00 - 2XP - Senior Aircraftman - 29 Posts
I Don't get the problem too Imo autoadmin takes care of 70 %'of rulebreaks. Sometimes you can kill grounded by accident (stray missiles) so it would be unfair to get a kick instantly Known rulebreakers dont get any more warnings, for new players its a way to learn or learn it the hard way I think you dramatize the situation alot. Ive not been very busy with admin action lately (mainly thanks to autoadmin). Obviously admins cant be around 24/7 but so ? just report the bastard. Even better instead of writing this you could have got recorded evidence of these so called ''pains of rulebreakers'' if they bothered you so much. Also airfield is pretty vulnerable from all kinds of attacks and it can get capped. So its only normal and fair that chinese air vehicles are safe from grounded USA jet attacks even when they return from flights to repair |
| 14.05.2019, 08:42 - jostotest - Administrator - 962 Posts
China aircraft are also not safe from attack heli's at the airfield, grounded or not. Unlike US helis on the carrier, which can't be attacked |
| 14.05.2019, 16:55 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5387 Posts
Enforcer is suggesting a more aggressive AdminMap setup, which is possible without breaking the ROE (in other words, less warnings, more kicks; albeit on second read I realized he was referring to human admin's warnings, not autoadmin's). In any way, we're talking about game servers and online video games; not about a kindergarten where you have to educate children. This is more sort of a ... detention class environment: lots of brats, no teacher to *actually stop them ... just a recorded tape that goes on and on saying: you shall not baserape!  Don't mind my ramblings ... on another note: @Enforcer why don't you become admin instead?  Staff Officer S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 17.05.2019, 08:43 - Enforcer - Leading Aircraftman - 8 Posts
Indeed my suggestion is to try and test a more aggressive setup. But reading all the comments on my original posts its obvious that's not up for discussion. Soo i consider it case closed.... |
| 23.05.2019, 22:37 - StarLine - Administrator - 2085 Posts
If you had simply said that then it would have been a little easier to discuss. Instead you basically told us you plan to take (or have already taken) matters into your own hands and suggested that you would ignore our rules in the process of getting your revenge on any players you feel have wronged you. I would instead advise you to do what I have always done, swap to the other team and hunt them fairly/cleanly and rack up their deaths, this is the best type of revenge. Then when the round has finished, if you are still feeling upset you can upload some evidence here in the Forum and they'll be monitored and banned if they continue their behaviour too. A more aggressive AutoAdmin setup is something I have considered myself enough times over the years but as I've already told you: insta-killing rule violators is not an option I would ever implement as that would be a violation of the BF2/BF2Hub Rules of Engagement. We prefer to give players a few warnings first (particularly because of new players who don't know the rules) and we have a very good team of Admins who keep the childish players out of our servers on a regular basis. It's quite rare that there is not at least one of our Members on our Servers when they are populated. Besides these two things, your own confusion about Weekend Warriors and the AutoAdmin of other Servers compared to ours didn't really help your argument. So, whilst we of course appreciate feedback and suggestions we'd kindly remind you and anyone else who reads this that there are very few things we haven't already thought about or discussed - considering the standards / level of professionalism we have demonstrated here for over 3 years and that we've built a large, successful community from the ashes of a dying game; I think that should be pretty obvious and any suggestions people wish to make should be well thought out or otherwise may seem a little insulting. [ALIGN=center][nor]https://www.lost-soldiers.org/images/lsts.gif[/nor][/ALIGN] |