| Battlefield 2 • SeatSwitching |
| 10.08.2017, 21:48 - PineappleJ - Leading Aircraftman - 11 Posts
OK, from some of the stuff ive seen I refulse to believe that people are pressing F2, firing and clicking to aim, then pressing f1 and managing to hit a jet. Somethings not right - what am I missing? |
| 10.08.2017, 22:07 - Princess_Unicorn - Sergeant - 454 Posts
that's right. It takes a lot of practice. I also need a lot of it |
| 11.08.2017, 19:31 - jostotest - Administrator - 962 Posts
PineappleJ says :- OK, from some of the stuff ive seen I refulse to believe that people are pressing F2, firing and clicking to aim, then pressing f1 and managing to hit a jet. Somethings not right - what am I missing? I have wondered that as well. |
| 11.08.2017, 20:19 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5385 Posts
You want believe what some players are capable of doing. For instance, I can make popcorn!  Staff Officer  S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
11.08.2017, 20:24 - Princess_Unicorn - Sergeant - 454 Posts
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| 13.08.2017, 11:55 - Dillmann - Administrator - 714 Posts
Practice - and much more: enjoying choppers. |
| 13.08.2017, 17:17 - 1ARMBLINDMAN - Corporal - 211 Posts
Get 1 of those Cheat Programs They Get away with on the OTHER servers !! Only Kidding !! |
| 13.08.2017, 21:09 - McSlaine - Corporal - 326 Posts
You dont need cheat programmes just a good keyboard or mouse with software that lets you make key bindings, - F1 and then 500 milliseconds (for example) then left mouse then 500 milliseconds then F2 etc all with one keystroke. I got one but i dont use it for that cos i think seatswitching is cheating. Seatswitching is not the way the game was meant to be played, they fuck the game up for everyone, you cant have a good tank battle or a good fight over the most important flag with a seatswitcher on the server, no matter what team they are on. The most memorable games i have had have been 1v1 or 2v2 or 3v3, kill, get killed, spawn, get back to where the action is, wash, rinse, repeat, but when a seatswitcher comes its all to fuck, they just sit up in the clouds and blow shit up, and when the map changes to an inantry map they have to leave cos seatswitching is all they got. Mostly i switch servers when the seatswitchers arrive. [url=https://gifyu.com/image/vkzD][img]https://s5.gifyu.com/images/BF2longsmall.png[/img][/url] |
| 14.08.2017, 11:03 - PineappleJ - Leading Aircraftman - 11 Posts
Yeah, I have a keyboard capable of macros/key bindings etc but binding all those actions to one key is, to me, cheating. In the old days, seatswitching wasn't allowed and you would get kicked for it but nowadays it seems the norm. Just unnatural for choppers to be able to shoot down jets with those fly-by-wire missiles if theres only a pilot. I believe I play pretty fairly, don't fly near the carrier when Chinese etc and try and give ppl a chance.... when USA I don't shoot choppers whch have literally just taken off from the pad as I believe that's not much different from Pad rape... |
| 14.08.2017, 11:09 - PineappleJ - Leading Aircraftman - 11 Posts
Dillman, cards on the table here - are you using the bog standard keys and pressing them individually or you got some key macro/recorder set up? I'm just keen to know if its me being grumpy git cos I cant do it - I'll admit to leaving servers in frustration as to what I see as impossible moves in the base game/config with no special keyboard/software. |
| 14.08.2017, 11:41 - Dillmann - Administrator - 714 Posts
I play on a Macbook, standard-usb-mouse, no special keys: F1, F2. Some people know how often I hit 'Esc' instead of these keys. Those will be my last words here, I'm sick of that "this is impossible", "your tv has a longer range", "seatscwitching = cheat" etc. Thought this shit died in BF2 (and especially here at LS) but .. well. |
| 14.08.2017, 14:00 - McSlaine - Corporal - 326 Posts
If you want to shoot down a jet you have to spot him as he (or she) flys by, then keep the heli pointed at the jet and you can see on your hud if he comes round and flys back towards you. SO if you want to shoot down a seatswitcher in a jet, dont go back for another try at the same height, come down from above or up from below or at least stay away from the heli for about 20 seconds so that you are no longer highlighted on his hud, if you managed to spot the heli when flying by you can see when you turn which way he (or she) is pointing and if he is following you or not. [url=https://gifyu.com/image/vkzD][img]https://s5.gifyu.com/images/BF2longsmall.png[/img][/url] |
| 14.08.2017, 14:23 - Princess_Unicorn - Sergeant - 454 Posts
It's all about training. I know many people they can this; without macro, cheats or similar. With jets I still have some problems but with a lot of training everybody can do it. |
| 13.09.2017, 15:39 - Kaasentra - Junior Technician - 103 Posts
How exactly is seatswitching cheating? BF2 was never meant to be a reality simulator - there's project reality for that purpose. If anything, seatswitchers suffer a disadvantage against helis with 2 players since their heli starts spinning is predictable manners when the seatswitcher goes gunner seat. I only know a few actual good seatswtichers who can consistently seatswitch, keep awareness, kill people, not crash into shit and be more useful than most of the team combined. Seatswitchers do their team a favor, assuming the seatswitcher is good and doesn't get rekt, cause it allows the team to have one extra player where it's needed, like on flags. And yes I manually pres all the buttons to seatswitch - F2, right click, guide tv, F1 again, and F2, c + aim with mg for MG seatswitching. When you do it a gazillion times it becomes a habit and you don't even think about it. There is literally no cheat that will make you an instant great heliplayer, although nametags are useful for awareness obviously. But nametaggers tend to suck as well. Aimbots in helis are basically useless and can only hit easy open targets. |
| 13.09.2017, 17:22 - Dillmann - Administrator - 714 Posts
Amen! |
| 11.01.2019, 12:18 - Enforcer - Leading Aircraftman - 8 Posts
This just as simple as directing your second seat to your secondary mouse button, press it twice and shoot with left mouse button... And some little advice, be sure to have your primary gun pointing to the left as the heli will turn right if you switch seat. This way you'll compensate it. My 2 cents. |
| 12.01.2019, 16:59 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5385 Posts
I knew as much, in fact I hate it. xD But why do you say 'click twice'? I don't understand.  Staff Officer S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 30.01.2019, 01:12 - PlayerAlpha - Senior Aircraftman (Technician) - 76 Posts
I believe what he's saying is that he remapped the gunners seat to his right mouse button (or whatever he has selected to switch from the chaingun to the TV missile) so that instead of pressing a separate button to switch seats and then switch to the TV, you can just do it by clicking the same button twice. Seems to me like that would be a lot faster, I'll probably try it myself. |
| 30.01.2019, 07:42 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5385 Posts
Then to that I say ... PLEB!!  ahahStaff Officer S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 30.01.2019, 10:29 - SW03_Carbon - Administrator - 458 Posts
It is impossible. You can not use they same key for 2 different purposes (switching to gunner seat AND switching to TV guided missile mode by using the same key). |
| 30.01.2019, 12:44 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5385 Posts
hmmmm ... are you sure? As the second one is more like a global command: switch to secondary weapon. Well, you can customize it for every vehicle type so it's not so "global" after all.  Then Enforcer has fooled us all!!Staff Officer S_h_a_r_k_93 [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 11.02.2019, 11:54 - Enforcer - Leading Aircraftman - 8 Posts
My fault, sorry for the confusion. Map your secondary mouse key to second seat in chopper controls. Click once and you can fire a missile, click twice and you can gun down soldiers. Switch back to position 1 after. If you got a good mouse u can even use another button for it. |
| 04.06.2020, 12:51 - S_h_a_r_k_93 - Administrator - 5385 Posts
I have had some time to think about your problem lately, and I have come to the conclusion that you do not have an issue with seatswitching itself, you have a problem with choppers!  Seatswitching is just part of the picture, but ultimately it's the chopper that is causing you some distress; and I get it, believe me I get nailed down too.The chopper is the only vehicle in the whole game with weaponry that is a guaranteed 1-shot kill against other vehicles, no other weapon or vehicle in this game is so powerful (besides maybe C4). So naturally in the right hands this vehicle can be deadly: like you say, rinse and repeat, no other outcome is possible unless: A) the team really works as one, using the ground assets available and their skills, to take him down, B) there is an equally skilled chopper pilot in your team, that can keep the enemy chopper busy. Moreover here is why seatswitching is not the real problem (and by all means with that term we mean manually switching seats, switching to TV, shooting and aiming; if you need a macro for that well it's pretty disappointing), I'll show some examples. When you are in the tank, doesn't it happen that you switch to turret for more visibility? When you are in APC, has it ever happened you that you needed to clear your side with machine gun? And even more common, if you are driving a car and you see an infantry group, what do you do? You get out of the car, go in the rear, re-enter and then switch to gunner position, to fire the machine gun on top of the car? This isn't a military simulation, it's a video game, and quite arcade if I may say so myself. So the pilot moving to the gunner position, in any vehicle, is nothing out of the ordinary; that's how the game works: F2 = gunner.TL;DR you have a problem with who can shoot TV missles at you, not with seatswitchers.  [url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org#multimedia][bimg]https://i.imgur.com/iwPUBn7.png[/bimg][/url] [size=4]All my contacts, social media and more! [/size][size=5][url=https://shark.lost-soldiers.org]shark.lost-soldiers.org[/url][/size] |
| 03.01.2021, 15:09 - Rapt0r1351 - - 2 Posts
These fellas have been using macros for so long , Im not good at it but Ive seen one my old No Mercy clan members use macros and I believe its a simple space bar to switch and right click for tv and hold F for the auto clicker . Its no secret , theres macros that even override and take you straight to TV etc . So I dont believe everyone out there single seating has practiced day and night using legacy default control or even a simple tweak , I would have to say most use macros |